To John Powell.  The Matter of my considering some of

the objections to my ideas and arguing against these

objections.



John L. Waters



April 19, 2001



© Copyright 2001 by John L. Waters. All Rights

Reserved

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1.  The argument against exploring the mystical sense.

Some people argue that it is wrong to explore this

realm.



A student named Cai asks:  "What is meant by the

mystical sense?"  He also asks, "What encompasses this

realm?  Is it one subject or many?"



I would answer that the mystical sense is vividly

described on page 125 in the book "Nature, Man, and

Woman" by Alan Watts and in by R.M.Bucke in his book

entitled "Cosmic Consciousness", and by Andrew Weeks

on pages 2 and 3 of his book entitled "Boehme."  In

certain other articles I've written I cite the pages

on which these references can be found.  The mystical

sense is the direct sense of a person's unity with the

cosmos and the sense of divinity in each and every

thing.  A study of this sense is one subject, but this

subject has yet to be studied effectively so that most

persons can directly experience this sense and

repeatedly verify that it is a real sense.



Note Pierre Teilhard de Chiardin says: 



http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~alfar/teilhard-mystcism.htm

"The mystical sense is essentially a feeling for, a

presentiment of, the total and final unity of the

world, beyond its present sensibly apprehended

multiplicity: it is a cosmic sense of 'oneness'."

http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~alfar/teilhard-mystcism.htm



Repeat question 1.  The argument against exploring the

mystical sense. Some people argue that it is wrong to

explore this realm.



The student named Cai says that I need to give

references to a number of persons who argue that it is

wrong to explore the mystical sense.  For example,

most working psychiatrists would say that a mystic is

insane or deluded.  Furthermore a spokesperson from

ZEGG (an alternative community in Germany) told me

flat out that the mystical was totally above and

beyond the rational intellect.  I need to cite a

published reference.

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1.  Fundamentalists say it is Satan, the devil, who is

deluding the mystic.  The true revelator is God's

Incarnation or a Divine Messenger chosen by God.  For

example, the Moslems accept Mohammed as The Authority,

and no one else.  The Christians accept Jesus as The

Authority, and John the Revelator.  All other mystics

are said to be deceived or deluded by the "evil one."



References: (See my article entitled: "Quotes:

Skeptics of Mysticism or Science"



2.  Psychiatrists say it is evidence of delusion and a

sign of insanity to report on your mystical

experience.

If you have mystical experiences and report on them,

you are advertising to people that you have a severe

mental disorder.



Rererences:



http://medlineplus.adam.com/ency/article/001553sym.htm



Quote:



"Symptoms of a psychosis:



1. loss of touch with reality (my question:  What is

reality?  Who is the ultimate authority?)

2. distorted view of life (my question: What exactly

do you mean by distorted?)

3. thought disorders (my question: What exactly is

undistorted thought?  The Doctor's thought?  The

history of medicine shows that this is not a valid

definition.)

4. emotion is exhibited in an abnormal manner (changes

in affect)

5. extreme excitement (mania)

6. confusion

7. depression

8. excitement

9. fear

10. mistaken beliefs (illusions)(my question:  When

the experts don't have the answer, what can a person

do but be confused for a time before he gets the

answer?)

11. false beliefs (delusions)

12. seeing, hearing, or otherwise perceiving things

that are not there (hallucinations) (this includes a

mystical experience.)



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A.  Answer: If you don't explore this subject and this

sense, then you won't learn about it.  You will remain

ignorant about it.



B.  Answer: There are books about the mystical realm,

but if you really want to explore it, you have to go

there yourself and explore.  Reading about it is just

second or third hand information.  



Cai says Answer B doesn't really answer question 1.

Answer B just adds extra information.



2.  The argument against exposure to sunshine.  The

argument is that it is dangerous to go out in the sun

and get a suntan.  You might get skin cancer.  Many

doctors say that it is risky to expose yourself to the

sun.  

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Cai says I need to name some doctors, or give

references.



1. Dangers of suntanning. References:



1.  There is now overwhelming evidence to show that

intentional and unintentional exposure to sunlight is

linked to the development of the more common types of

skin cancer and most melanomas. Skin cancer causes the

death of 1,000 Australians each year, with a further

150,000 people presenting annually for treatment. 



In 1989, the Australasian College of Dermatologists

consensus Statement - Photoaging and Photodamage as a

Public Health Concern - concluded that "There is no

safe way to tan.



http://www.health.gov.au/nhmrc/publicat/statemnt/ph6stat.htm

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2.  ISCAN - Government news and views on suntanning

and

 suntan products British government warnings and

recommendations for suntan bed facilities and users



http://www.healthwatcher.net/ISCAN/isgov-1.html





2. Dangers of sungazing.  References:



"The patient with a classical solar burn presents soon

after exposure with a history of reduced visual

acuity, a central scotoma, chromatopsia, photophobia

and metamorphopsia (1, 20, 21)."



Focus Published by the Royal College of

Ophthalmologists 17 Cornwall Terrace,             

London NW1 4QW Tel: 0171 935 0702 Fax: 0171 935 9838 



Thirty-four medical papers listed as references



http://www.rcophth.ac.uk/publications/focus10.html





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A.  Answer: Yes, you might be injured by sunshine but

other potentially hazardous objects are used daily. 

For example, you also can be injured by fire, by

driving a car, or by using a gun or a knife.  You can

learn how to use the sunshine so you won't be injured

by it.  If your skin is hypersensitive to sunlight,

then probably you ought not try this method.

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For more information on the effects of sungazing on

the eyes, go to the website:

http://mintaka.sdsu.edu/GF/vision/Galileo.html

"Galileo, solar observing, and eye safety" by Andrew

T. Young

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3.  The argument against thinking of a human as an

animal.  Many people argue that humans are higher than

the animals.



Cai asks: "in what sense are humans higher than other

animals?"  He wants to know if I'm thinking in terms

of biology, or in terms of psychology, or in terms of

physiology, etc.



A.  Answer to 3:  Part of a human is animal.  In fact,

human bodies are animal bodies composed of 98% or more

animal DNA.  If a small part of a human is not animal,

that's Okay.  However historically it's been very

useful and helpful for scientists to study what is

basic in both humans and animals.  This helps  people

understand the living world and feel the human

connection with the other forms of life.



Cai says DNA isn't so relevant.  The second sentence

is more the true answer, and is more relevant. He

wants me to expand on it.



4.  The argument against understanding more about the

God realm. 



Cai says I need to define what I mean by the God

realm.



A.  Answer:  Different teachers (Cai says give

examples with references) have taught different things

about the God realm.  In an age of science, a new

scientific idea of God has as much right to be

promoted as any one of the old pre-scientific ideas

about God.



5.  The argument against staring blankly, and holding

eye contact without moving or speaking.  Many people

say it is wrong to gaze blankly.  Many parents teach

their children not to do this.  The DSM-IV, the modern

psychiatrists' Bible, gives staring blankly as a

symptom of autism and as a symptom of schizophrenia.



A.  Answer:  These behaviors have been considered bad

manners.  But four hundred years ago it was considered

refined art to drain out a sick person's blood.  In

the past, new medical discoveries have replaced

certain old theories about what is best for people. 

If facts support my method of treating diseases, the

method will fit this pattern.  Then certain behaviors

now considered bad will be considered good.



6.  The argument against using body movement to

explore and get ideas.  For example, many teachers

would insist that it's wrong to doodle and scribble. 

Furthermore it's wasteful of time, energy, and working

materials.



A.  Answer:  This isn't really true.  The body

intelligence or kinesthetic intelligence is connected

to the verbal intelligence and other intelligences

inside the brain.  Furthermore, some persons are

talented kinesthetically just as some other persons

are talented in olfaction or in the auditory sense. 

Some people are hired to monitor fragrances of perfume

or tastes in fine wines.  Others have unusual skills

with musical tones.  Skills in the body aren't yet all

defined.



7.  The argument that God is beyond intellectual

understanding, i.e., clear spoken or written language.



Cai asks, "Who makes this argument?"



A.  Answer:  If God is beyond intellect and reason,

then how can God talk sense to people using sentences?

When sentences make sense to us, it's because we

perceive that they follow in a logical order, and the

words in each sentence follow in a logical order. 

We're using reason to understand their meaning.  So if

you say that God is beyond intellectual understanding,

then what is it in God that has organized words into a

clear meaning so that reasoning humans can make sense

of the sentences which are from God?  How is it that

God's texts are understandable?  For example, the Ten

Commandments, the sayings of Jesus, and the Koran, and

others considered to be given to humanity by God.



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Quote from the website



http://www.nd.edu/~duitvlug/benson/papopar/papopar6.html



Quote from Robert Hugh Benson:



"I do not any longer want to laugh at materialists, or

sneer at scientists; they appear to me in a light of

indescribable pathos: they are perfectly right in what

they say - at any rate I cannot, and do not even wish,

to prove them wrong; but what is so sad about them is

that, while they may be perfectly right within their

own limits, they think that those limits are

coincident with the range of human knowledge. There

they go, with their carpet bags, and specimens,

spectacled and profound, philosophically enthusiastic,

thinking that it all matters very much; and there

stares at the brisk group, maybe, from a wayside

cottage some dirty child, finger in mouth, who knows

more than them all. It is true that he does not know

whether he lives on chalk or gravel, or of what

chemicals his own body is composed; yet he has looked

wide-eyed at a running stream, and paused, stone in

hand, to hear one more phrase, stone in hand, to hear

one more phrase from the plump thrush, and a world has

opened - ah! why be rhetorical in a matter of such

bewildering simplicity?"



quote from "The Mystical Sense"  under the general

heading of "Papers of a Pariah A republished edition

is availible through Ayer.  A fascinating work, very

much at the heart of what Msgr. Benson was about, I

think.  It is written as if it were a series of

essays by a Protestant just before his conversion to

Catholicism..." The above quote is taken from the

website

http://www.nd.edu/~duitvlug/benson/papopar/papopar.html

 

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8.  The argument against curing a mental disorder and

a physical order with the same medical treatment.  The

arguer says that a sick mind and a sick body are

different, and a disease of the body needs to be

treated separately from a disease of the emotions or

the mind..



A.  Answer:  The mind and the body both are connected

in the brain.  By effectively treating the brain, both

the health of the mind and the health of the body can

be improved at the same time.



A student named Chris asks the question:

"Don't assume that your reader shares the assumption

you make that mind and body are connected.  What has

persuaded you to take the position that the mind and

the body both are connected in the brain?"



B.  Answer:  Medical scientists keep developing new

medications which profoundly affect both the mind and

the body.  For example thorazine is a tranquilizer and

thorazine also has side effects which are felt in the

body.  Mental activity, that is the mind, is

profoundly affected by nicotine, alcohol, and other

psychochemicals.



C.  Answer:  The very language we use connects the

mind with the brain.  As a person listens and talks,

and reads and writes, his or her mental activities

focus upon the use of language.  These mental

activities correlate with neurochemical reactions

going on in the brain.  These neurochemical reactions

are clearly visible by using brain scanning

techniques.  As many persons use the same language,

their brain activities become(Cai says give source of

information here) very similar because language is a

localized and specialized activity in the brain.  



D.  Answer:  Your mind and your brain are connected by

my use of the word, "IT."  All I have to do is utter

the word, "IT," and you want me to tell you what the

word "IT" refers to.  Your curiosity is definitely

piqued.  I've used one little word to get your

attention and the psychochemical change my utterance

caused in your brain activity can definitely be

measured.  The word "IT" is therefore a link and a

switch which can connect my brain to your brain and

your mind to your body.  All I have to do is utter the

word "IT" in your presence.  This single utterance

connects all the bodies to all the minds in all the

brains in all English-speaking nations!  Whoop de doo!

and Yahoo!  Does this mean you and I are both taking

parts in a worldwide web which needs no wires or

electronic computers?  Well, maybe.  And maybe that's

why some people, even today, definitely are sometimes

telepathic.  Think about "IT."  Like what did our

prehistoric ancestors use their big brains for before

English became so fricken sophisticated and Beowulf

became all the rage?    



9.  The argument that my method for treating certain

chronic disorders is just "snake oil" that is to say,

it is a false cure or a placebo cure.



A.  Answer:  I tried different faith cures before I

tried this method, and I tried different physical

treatments as well.  To experience lasting improvement

I needed to expose myself to a lot more nonlinear

inputs (Cai says explain what this term means) and

regress to the infantile state in which all activity

is nonlinear.  This appears to be a basic treatment or

rejuvenation therapy for "incurable" disorders which

develop as a result of repeatedly forcing the brain to

function entirely in the linear mode.



B. Answer:  I argue that many psychotic persons are

suffering from a chronic disorder which the doctors

don't really know how to cure.  This makes the

psychotic's life stressful and psychotic reaction is a

reaction to chronic stress.  The best treatment is

letting the rejuvenated person function as he or she

can, in better health. This enables the rejuvenated

person to be more of an asset and less of a liability

to his or her society.



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10.  The argument is that Christian Fundamentalists

and other Fundamentalists will say that you are

talking against their religion. Furthermore, orthodox

medical doctors will say that symptoms of a psychosis

need to be eliminated from a person.  Doctors will say

that since you can't reason, feel, and think the way

they do, therefore you are  mentally defective or

delusional.



A.  Answer:  I say that these are old ideas which

don't really work the healing cure.  The new way is

better.  Nonlinearity is very common throughout

nature.  By being more nonlinear a person feels more

attuned to the universe and a person becomes more

serene, more creative, and more healthy physically and

that includes his brain.



11.  The argument is that life after death and

reincarnation are big issues in conventional religion.

Your ideas don't go into these topics.  That will

disappoint a lot of people.



Cai asks "What is the relationship between your work

and religion?"  My answer is that my work helps

creative researchers integrate science and religion

and work out ways of improving physical health and

mental health as well as bringing more peace and more

cooperation among people.



A.  Answer:  I'm not really creating a new religion. 

This is not a new religion.  This is new medical

research.



B.  Answer:  There's a lot of suffering now in this

life on this planet.  If valid, my work will ease the

suffering in large numbers of people whom the old

medicine and the old religion can't cure.



12.  The argument that "I can go rowing on the lake or

fishing at the river and relax."



A.  Answer:  There are many nonlinear inputs out on

the water or at the waterside.  You are actually

arguing in favor of my method, not against it! 

However, to be more curative, and better treat a

serious chronic disorder, you can increase the input

of nonlinearity.  You can take off your clothes and

tan in the sun, and you can even become a sungazer. 

In this way you will greatly increase the nonlinear

inputs to your body and your brain.  Doing this at the

sunny seashore has helped me the most.



A student named Chris asks the question:  Can you

explain to me what you mean by nonlinearity?



Yes.  Nonlinearity is like a maze of interconnected

pipes so that ten fishes can swim from one end of the

maze to the other without meeting another fish.

Nonlinearity is like a metal window screen through

which electric current passes from one side to the

other side.  You can make a wide cut in the screen but

the current will continue to flow.  Cut a single wire,

however, and the current will stop.



The brain is a nonlinear network with some 100

trillion interconnections.  A huge number of nerve

impulses (ie fish) can pass through this network at

any one time without meeting one another.  Of how many

of these impulses are you conscious?  Can you see that

a genius might have more fishes swimming in his or her

brain at any given time, doing more brain work? 

However you might see that linear thinking is not

something a genius does any better than a nongenius.



Chris asks:  So what is linear thinking?



Linear thinking is where you start at the beginning of

a sentence or paragraph or story and you follow in a

linear sequential order to the middle and the end

without skipping any word, thought, or idea.  When a

person is thinking linearly, they aren't able to move

from point A to point E without first moving to point

B, then to point C, and then to point D.  When a

person has access to the screen or nonlinear network,

there are many other paths one can take to get from

point A to point E.



Chris asks:  What does this have to do with fishing?



When you are out on the water in a boat the boat is

floating on the water like a ball floats upon a screen

or a net which holds it up.  You feel this

nonlinearity or floating in your body as you sit in

the boat and it rocks and bobs up and down and

supports you.  This floating, bobbing, and rocking is

a nonlinear input to your whole brain.  Furthermore,

when you are fishing you don't know when the fish will

bite.  Neither can you predict when your intuition

will flash and some bright idea will pop into your

conscious mind.  If you are a genius you will be

getting quite a few surprising ideas.  Does this help

you see how a person can sense nonlinearity in the

body and in the mind?  The thinking of an intuitive

person is often nonlinear. There are many different

ways to get from idea A to idea B, which the linear

thinker can't imagine.  The thinking of a genius is

often nonlinear, and often the person who gets a

bright idea can't prove the idea is true by logical

reasoning.  Scientific testing then can help prove or

disprove the idea.



13.  Okay.  But isn't something very important lost

when you reduce the mystical experience down to a

rational explanation?  By explaining a phenomenon of

existence science takes the magic and the mystery out

of it!  Besides, I really get a thrill and an uplift

out of mystical writing.  Besides, The writing you are

sharing with me now doesn't have that mystical

quality. Therefore, I feel that by trying to reduce

the mystical experience down to something which can be

understood by mathematical science and reason, you are

trying to cheat me out of something.  



My answers:



A.  By understanding linearity and nonlinearity you

know different ways to deliver nonlinear inputs to

your brain.  Applying the idea can help you become

more intuitive, more creative, and more intelligent. 

Self-mastery of the mystical realm makes you more keen

intellectually as well as in other ways, not less

keen.  Metaphorically speaking, when your blade

becomes dull you have the right tools to sharpen it

and you know how to use these tools.  This knowledge

enables you to retain your youthful enthusiasm and

your youthful curiosity much longer and keep learning

more things even after you are middle-aged.



B.  As far as science trying to steal something from

you, think about the mystery of deafness.  Before

scientists really understood hearing and hearing loss,

many deaf children weren't teachable.  With better

science came genuine hearing aids and education for

more people.  In this way scientific progress brought

many blessings for hard-of-hearing people.  Who got

cheated there?  



C.  Furthermore, only after eyesight and optical

phenomena were correctly understood scientifically

were modern vision aids invented.  These aids include

telescopes, microscopes, and eyeglasses.



Mystical experiences accompany psychotic episodes and

many insane people are dangerous to themselves or to

other people.  Who is cheated when an insane person is

cured?   Moreover, once the mystical process is

understood scientifically, it will be possible for

parents and teachers to help many more children learn

how to be healthier, happier, more creative, and more

helpful to other people.  Just as scientific

understanding of hearing loss and defective vision

helped millions of people, the method that has worked

to improve his mental and physical functioning in one

person will help many other people.  More testing of

my method is needed.  



14.  The argument that "You are a HERETIC and a

BLASPHEMER and the ONE TRUE GOD will reward ME for

killing YOU NOW!!! (followed by ten pistol shots to

the chest and abdomen at close range.)



A.  Answer:  This is why real working scientists need

to take a sincere interest in my research and run

careful tests on lots of people before the general

public even knows about my research and my related

ideas.



B.  Answer:  Who knows.  This treatment might help

sickle cell anemia patients live longer with a lot

less pain over a twenty year period or longer.  More

testing needs to be done on more people who have a

diversity of so-called "unrelated" ailments.



A scientist doesn't pre-judge.  A scientist tests a

new method, even if at first it sounds cock-eyed.



5:23PM Saturday, April 7, 2001



John L. Waters

johnlwaters@yahoo.com





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